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  First Post...Hi everyone! Thanks for all of your help over the years!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  well... as they say on talk back radio "i'm a long time listener, first time caller"(poster in this case!).

  i have been a "lurker" for several years, but never had the courage to take the step and join up...until now.. i really want to thank everyone for their insights and comments throughout the forum.

  although i have not contibuted to discussions, i have benefitted very much from all of your comments and observations on all topics.

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  Black Sheep

  WoW. You are spoiled. You even got a welcome from our Granny Mouthy who says she doesn't live here any more.

  It's nice you finally popped in.

  Cheers

  Chris
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  This is my first post

  by Make Lemonade in

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  2. child-abuse

  i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

  there are resources here that are deep.

  like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

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  Black Sheep

  I'm pleased you had the sense to toss that bucket.

  Welcome to your New World.
  Black Sheep
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  Soon™... In use since 1879!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i wondered how fast the wt publications used the word "soon"... as in expectation of some prophecy or fulfillment.... eight pages into the first watchtower... july 1879.... "our design has been to present to the body of christ, "the chaste virgin" church, which expects soon to go in to the marriage and become christ's bride, a selection of sacred songs especially adapted to her condition and expressive of her desires and hopes.".

  the expectation?

  1881. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php.

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  Black Sheep

  I use 'soon' with my JWs whenever I agree to do something they know I am never going to do.
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  GB's letter regarding UN membership - How Do You Prove Them Wrong?

  by will-be-apostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading brant jones' experience (published on jwfacts.com).

  i read both letters: the one he wrote to the gb and the one he recieved from them.

  link: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/brantjonesunresponse.pdf.

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  Black Sheep

  Does the letter provide evidence that the contents of the library were unavailable to them if they didn't have NGO status?

  Is there any evidence anywhere that the contents of the library were unavailable to them if they didn't have NGO status?

  I'm not aware of any rules that would have denied them access to the library or the contents, only that they had to apply ahead for a day pass if they wanted to visit Dag Hammarskjöld. If that is correct, then there was no NEED to join and their excuse is BS. It is up to the person making the claim, that they needed membership for access, so it is up to them to prove it.
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  What happened to the "Armageddon hasn't arrived" post?

  by QuestioningEverything in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering, i enjoyed checking it out from time to time.

  and i apologize in advance if it is still on here.

  it wouldn't come up in my search.

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  Black Sheep

  "Jehovah and his useless penis" has disappeared too.
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  My Window Cleaner

  by happy@last in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my window cleaner is a jw and as i am always working when he comes to my house i haven't seen him or spoken to him in years.

  the other day i was in my local town and went into a cafe for some lunch.

  who is sitting there but my window cleaner and his wife.

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  Black Sheep

  Any JW who works for me, talks to me. They don't have a choice.
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  Do You Try To Avoid The Witnesses When You See Them?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i think i typically don't want to be either love bombed or questioned.

  i happen to see jws a lot while visiting my mom.

  they don't go there with me, which works well for all concerned..

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  Black Sheep

  I target members of any cult. I don't see the cult I was born into as being deserving of any special consideration.
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  He Wants To Help Me

  by LouBelle in

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  so i just happened to bump into an elder today.

  a guy my age that i used to know.

  i was having a quick breakfast.

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  Black Sheep

  I'm with Outlaw on this one LouBelle.

  If you're here looking for advice on what to discuss or how to handle him, you should not be talking to him at all. If you can't control the conversation, just don't let them start one in the first place.

  He is not your friend.

  He has nothing of value to offer you that you can't get elsewhere.

  If you must talk to a JW, never let them choose the subject. Quickly turn he conversation to a subject you know they are familiar with, but that they will be uncomfortable with, and hammer them on that. Do not answer their questions, they are there to answer yours, tell them that. The more they want to trick you into a change from a particular subject, the more you need to stay on it. Don't express your own opinions, just use questions to make them do the talking and lead them to making conclusions that they didn't want to come to and to indulge in behaviours that they would condemn if a member of another church used them. Use guilt when they try any tricks, dishonesty, double standards, or bullying, and feign being offended that they would try to treat you like a fool etc..
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  Do athiests believe it's possible that aliens, not all powerful God created man?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've sort of mentioned this as a different possibility in response to other threads but i was curious if any of you athiests all think that life just evolved on this earth from single cell organisms or if you ever thought it's possible that intelligent life long ago w/ advanced science could have made humans and much of life on earth and just dumped it here or made it here.

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  i'm not making this thread to debate, i am just curious if any of you have come up with other ideas on your own as possibilities since all we have for the origin of life are just theories right now.

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  Black Sheep

  Even if someone could prove there was some kind of creator dude wafting around in the ether, it wouldn't mean that it was the one described in any particular culture's literature or folklore, or that it might give a stuff what you do when the lights are out.

  Beliefs aren't just either/or, black/white, if not what you think/then what you think must be the alternative.

  You don't have to try to assume/assert what people must/must not, believe if they are not your followers or leaders.

  It's ok to not know.

  It's ok to not have an answer to every question every twit asks.

  It's ok to get on with your life without caring what BS is being spouted by people with imaginary friends.

  It's ok to evaluate a question before you attempt to answer it.

  It's ok to call into question all of the ideas that have been preconceived for you by your parents/culture/cult/peers etc., and admit to yourself and your peers that because you've been scammed by a high control cult, you know bugger all that can can be trusted and have to start over.
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  Atheists, here is a 'balls' question ---even for all---

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is very difficult to knock a ball into a hole (like golf), throw it into a receiver's hands (american football) intercept it and knock it over the fence (american cricket).

  or to put a sattelite at the right time at the right speed in the right direction in the right place to have it orbit another body, so :.

  what ingenious natural & process is it, than can get 9+ zillions bodies to get into the right orbit simultaniously or sequentially and have them remain there for billions of years?

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  Black Sheep

  Order is chaos. Right now a galaxy is crashing through a group of other galaxies. Is that what you consider is 'order'?